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I need feminism because
It’s acceptable to call me a slut.
I need feminism because
It’s okay for a guy to slap my butt.
I need feminism because
It’s my own fault if a man rapes me.
I need feminism because
I should look good for men to see.
I need feminism because
People think it means ‘anti-man’.
I need feminism because
I can’t do things that men can.
I need feminism because
Girls think it’s cool to shame each other.
I need feminism because
The world has higher hopes for my brother.
I need feminism because
My femininity makes me ‘weak’.
I need feminism because
If I act masculine I’m a ‘freak’.
I need feminism because
My boobs are my ‘best quality’.
I need feminism because
I believe in equality.
Please let me know what you think :)



Okay. Woah.

So this has gotten a very diverse reaction, which I think is great; everyone's entitled to an opinion. A few of the comments are a tad aggressive and I kind of feel like I'm being accused of being a man-hating bitch or whatever. I'm sorry if this poem made me come across as such; if so, I'm sincerely sorry. So, I've decided to clear a few things up.

Firstly, know that it's not okay "for a guy to slap my butt". I know that, technically, it's illegal and counts as sexual harassment. However, some people still think it's an okay thing to do. I can testify this as I've been groped a fair few number of times by men I didn't know. One example would would be at a gig I went to, a lot of gigs I've been to, and men thought it was okay to slap/grab my bottom or cop a feel of my boobs. Just because it's illegal, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, the same goes for drugs - just because their illegal it doesn't mean that people don't take them.

I know that, if I got raped it wouldn't be my fault. However, there is so much victim-blaming going on in the world that it physically sickens me. People saying that the victim was 'asking for it' by wearing skimpy clothes or flirting. At the end of the day, rape is wrong no matter what. If the victim was stood there absolutely naked then she/he still wouldn't be asking for it.  

Feminism is not anti-man. Some people who call themselves feminists might be that way but, personally, I am not. It's not what feminism means. Not at all. Feminism is a faction in the fight for equality for all, regardless of race, gender, religion, sexuality, identity or any other issue. Feminism isn't about women being better than men; it's about all of us being equal. Feminism is an idea, a concept, and that's what it means to me.

MY USERNAME IS A REFERENCE TO NIRVANA - I AM NOT CALLING MYSELF A WHORE IN A SERIOUS SENSE.




I'm kinda sick of this poem, to be honest. Thus I'M NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO ANY MORE COMMENTS ON IT. However, feel free to comment and interact with each other. If you want me to answer something, feel free to note me.
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DameonLoveKnight Featured By Owner Edited Mar 16, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My only opinion on this is that feminism has become (not entirely but quite a few people twist what it means) "oh im female and i want ALL the power.
Feminism has become abused and people forget the actual meaning of feminism is for females to get power, which can be twisted into all the power.
But honestly why arent people pushing equalism, which strives to break all gender barriers and make EVERYONE EQUAL
What you have written here is touching and is really true, but not everyone sees this and thinks it is negative when you just want to be equal, then fight for equality not the fight that some women are abusing for power
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darthbriboy Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2015  Student Photographer
Feminism at it's core is  a humanist philosophy. 
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Crapcarp Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"I need feminism because it’s acceptable to call me a slut."

Oh boo hoo, people call you names. Seriously? Grow a thicker skin already. After all, how do you think people would react if you were a man complaining like this? Yeah, thought so.

You want the genders to be equal, then act like and woman up!

"I need feminism because it’s okay for a guy to slap my butt."

First off, no it isn't. Just because a guy may slap your butt, doesn't mean it's acceptable. I mean, it's not acceptable for thieves to steal, yet they still steal anyway. Besides, you can complain about being sexually harassed and you'd get taken much more seriously than if you were a man.

Also, let's put things into perspective, shall we?

"I need feminism because it’s my own fault if a man rapes me."

Oh yeah, society never simply takes a woman's word when she claims she's raped *cough*Rolling Stones*cough*. And of course things like due process and getting the other side of the story are simply Patriarchal constructs designed to oppress women who are just perfect little angels. Just listen and believe.

Yeah, and let men get their lives completely destroyed with a simple claim, regardless of its validity.

"I need feminism because I should look good for men to see."

And men should have big, fat wallets for women to enjoy. Your point being?

"I need feminism because people think it means ‘anti-man’."

That's probably because it also means that for a much bigger and influential group of feminists than you'll ever admit. And even if feminism isn't anti-man to you, what of it? Feminism can't solve gender inequality anyway because it's steeped in it whether it's anti-man or not.

"I need feminism because I can’t do things that men can."

Oh yes you can. You can do it, and better, and in high heels! Women are the superior breed after all and you need feminism so others will recognize that "fact".

"I need feminism because girls think it’s cool to shame each other."

Because boys think it's totally uncool to shame other boys.

"I need feminism because the world has higher hopes for my brother."

Anyone who sees past society's bullshit wouldn't.

"I need feminism because my femininity makes me ‘weak’."

Actually no, your femininity, or rather your womb, makes you valuable to society. You're the one who gets the help first, you're the one who gets the lion's share of comfort and money (at least when married to a man), you're the first one to get your ass saved.

And if a man, one who lacks a womb, would ever have the audacity to expect that treatment is considered weak. So it really doesn't have much to do with you in the first place. Kinda shows how entrenched your victim mentality is, doesn't it?

"I need feminism because if I act masculine I’m a ‘freak’."

Pfft, what?! Are you kidding me? A man acting feminine is considered more of a freak than you ever will be if you act masculine. Seriously, are you new to reality, or do you really consider a little name-calling equivalent to being treated as a freak?

"I need feminism because my boobs are my ‘best quality’."

At least those boobs give you a free ticket to the good life. Men usually have to work their asses off for theirs.

"I need feminism because I believe in equality."

Then you're in the wrong movement. If you truly want to have equality, you need to abandon feminism. No way around it, I'm afraid.
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Briecat Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2015
To Crapcarp...

"Actually no, your femininity, or rather your womb, makes you valuable to society. You're the one who gets the help first, you're the one who gets the lion's share of comfort and money (at least when married to a man), you're the first one to get your ass saved."

In my eyes, this is you saying that all only men earn money, women are selfish and never work but get everything they want from their husband, a girl is only worth her womb and women always have a padded life and will always be helped if something happens to them. But I hope this isn't the case, because these beliefs are, in my opinion, disgusting.

"At least those boobs give you a free ticket to the good life. Men usually have to work their asses off for theirs."

They give a free ticket to those girls who will marry the guy that only wants their body. And are you actually implying that women don't have to work hard for a good life? Because if you are, I'm sorry, but grow up.

"Oh yes you can. You can do it, and better, and in high heels! Women are the superior breed after all and you need feminism so others will recognize that "fact"."

If you think feminism is about women being better and superior, you really need to open your eyes. If you fail to do that, just ask any decent person you know to define it for you.

These were your points that really annoyed me, but to be honest, they all did. I know everyone has freedome of speech, but I really don't agree with your opinions. Sorry if you're offended, but frankly, I felt very offended by your comment.

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Crapcarp Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"In my eyes, this is you saying that all only men earn money, women are selfish and never work but get everything they want from their husband, a girl is only worth her womb and women always have a padded life and will always be helped if something happens to them. But I hope this isn't the case, because these beliefs are, in my opinion, disgusting."

First off, what I stated wasn't personal beliefs, but rather facts of society. Women have inherit value in society because of their womb. I personally do not value women based solely on the fact that they have wombs, but that doesn't change the fact that society does.

Second, I was talking in generalizations. Of course not every single woman is going to have the opportunity to have a padded life, but generally speaking, women do get that opportunity.

Third, where the hell did you get the whole "only men earn money, women are selfish" thing? Like I said, I was stating facts of society, not personal beliefs and making generalizations. Trying to demonize me much? Then again, that ain't too awfully surprising.

"They give a free ticket to those girls who will marry the guy that only wants their body. And are you actually implying that women don't have to work hard for a good life? Because if you are, I'm sorry, but grow up."

Again, I was making generalizations. Of course there's gonna be some women who have to work hard to have a good life, but generally speaking, a woman can simply marry a man (who is essentially bullied into marrying a woman, by the way) and the man is expected to provide for her.

Also, the whole boobs thing was a counter to what was said in the poem, which was that women are only valued on their boobs. So yeah, I suggest you think twice before trying to demonize me (not that I'm holding my breath for you to).

"If you think feminism is about women being better and superior, you really need to open your eyes."

Feminism isn't the source of the whole "women are superior" bullshit, society is. Feminism just exaggerates it.

"These were your points that really annoyed me, but to be honest, they all did. I know everyone has freedome of speech, but I really don't agree with your opinions. Sorry if you're offended, but frankly, I felt very offended by your comment."

First off, I wasn't stating opinions, they're arguments backed up by facts.

Second, I don't care if they offend or annoy you. Reality doesn't care if it offends you, so why should I? I'm only stating the truth here, whether or not it offends or annoys you is completely irrelevant.
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Briecat Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2015
I do understand now that you were talking about society and not your personal views, buy I don't belive that feminism exaggerates the women are superior stuff. Yes, there are some women that call themselves feminists that believe in that, but I'm a feminist that believes in equal rights, in all countries. A lot of feminists actually are what the definition is, just some women who stupidly believe that women are better than men decide to call themselves feminists.
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Crapcarp Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You'd be surprised just how subtle and deep the whole "female superiority" mentality goes.  If you keep yourself aware of it, you'll see it everywhere, including your own thoughts.

Also, don't give me that NAFALT bullshit. It's stupid and hypocritical coming from you. After all, if "Not all men" is a derailment, then so is NAFALT.
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Briecat Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2015
And you'd also see how subtle and deep the "male superiority" mentality goes. It goes for both genders. In my eyes, you are saying that it's bull that I believe that you shouldn't generalise a group of people and say that the are all like each other because of one similarity. Well, I'm so very sorry (note the sarcasm). The thing is, and yes, I am going to pull the NAWALT, not all women hate men, just like not all men hate women. In fact, most women don't hate men, and vice versa.

It may be because I go to an only girls school, but I've never in my like that "not all men" is a derailment. Then again, maybe it's because I'm only 13. Also, I will probably keep arguing my point until the end of time , because virtually nothing is going to change my opinion on this. 
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Crapcarp Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"And you'd also see how subtle and deep the "male superiority" mentality goes. It goes for both genders."

:lol: You really need to take a good look at reality, kid. Men are treated like dirt. We're all potential rapists, we're all stupid, we're all emotionally primitive, we're all privileged shitlords, our value is judged by how well we can serve women in both the bank and bed.

There is no male superiority mentality, we're all inferior in society's eyes.

"In my eyes, you are saying that it's bull that I believe that you shouldn't generalise a group of people and say that the are all like each other because of one similarity."

Then you need to get your eyes checked. It's not so much that all feminists are like that, it's rather the fact that there's too many feminists like that and not enough of the "good feminists" doing anything about it.

So it doesn't matter if not all feminists are like that. Feminism is.

"It may be because I go to an only girls school, but I've never in my like that "not all men" is a derailment."

It's a common feminist argument that "not all men" is a derailment. And I suppose it does have some weight. But of course, NAFALT being a derailment also has weight, and feminists use that all the time.

" Then again, maybe it's because I'm only 13. Also, I will probably keep arguing my point until the end of time , because virtually nothing is going to change my opinion on this."

:rofl: Hoo man! That gave me a good laugh. Kid, your mind is about to go through one hell of a roller coaster ride. Your opinions are gonna change on a dime all throughout puberty, and they'll only get stable again when you've reached 20 at least.
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Briecat Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2015
I don't really feel like arguing my point right now. Or probably until the weekend. Mind you, this doesn't mean you've changed my opinion. B-) (Cool) 
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Mistywater2 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015
*Cough* Anita Sarkeesian *Cough* What-an-asshole *Cough* Accuses-One-Of-The-Coolest-People-To-Ever-Live-A-Woman-Hater-Two-Days-After-His-Death *Cough*
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Adam-Walker Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2015   Writer
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RierieMaree Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
This is the entirety of the feminist side of me that is just spewed out as words. I love it
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AdrianL565 Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015
If you believe any of those things, you're very naive. The modern world is nothing like that. 
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TheoOwl Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
There's a group for HeForShe- joinheforshe.deviantart.com
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Kawaiijappy Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I think feminism should have a new definition; 
Real feminism is when woman were oppressed 200 years ago, when they didn't have any rights or were treated more as property.
Today feminism is just... an empty shell of that.
If you don't want men to catcall or stare inapproriately towards you,
dress modestly and show your inner strength towards them. This'll
solve all the "feminist issues" of today, just by that. I don't mean offense,
but girls actually have the advantage, not men. Why do girls find ways to complain about
problems like this when real feminism should be directed towards woman who really
are suffering from oppression? Modern day feminism is basically complaining that men
are being inapproriate, but of course if you wear shorts that are too short, wouldn't that
make some sense to why they act like that? If a woman saw a man with a tight shirt,
wouldn't the same happen? I'm sorry, I hope I didn't offend anyone :)
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Mecha-Naruto-Owner Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2015
Well, Also long as your not an Extreme Feminist
then you'll be fine
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Tuuc Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015
"Feminism is a faction in the fight for equality for all, regardless of race, gender, religion, sexuality, identity or any other issue."

That's the ideal. In practice, though, what does feminism do for men?

Uphold biased family courts in which men can be forced to pay more than their income in child support and alimony?

Support the Duluth Model which causes men to be arrested on domestic violence calls more often than women - even when the men are the ones calling police for help?

Promote the idea that sexual and domestic violence are "violence against women" despite research showing both are suffered by the sexes roughly equally?

Oppose the ideal of "innocent until proven guilty" by forcing colleges and universities to have disgustingly biased kangaroo courts for alleged sexual offenders and blocking efforts to make sure alleged rapists remain anonymous until they're actually convicted?
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Justintimetho Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015  New member
I need a new word for feminism because let's face it it's actual definition has been distorted and we need to start fresh if we're ever going to get anywhere. My first idea would have to be... "Equality." We're all humans, so what the hell is wrong with us.
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Lucijohn Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015
We all need feminism... 
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IWriteCreepyPastas Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I'm fine without it.
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meiyue Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014  Student General Artist
I need feminism because
The world has higher hopes for my brother.
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SlugPonez Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014
I am female. I don't argue "discrimination" every time someone does something I don't like. I don't use my gender to benefit myself, and I certainly don't use it for shaming men. I don't sit around feeling sorry for myself. I just try my hardest at life. I don't need feminism. I'm fine on my own.
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Gothicsage Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014
Clap 
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Reddzion Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014  Student General Artist
I like it, it also makes me wonder how things would be the other way around, like if women/society treated men like how men/society treated women. Like how its "acceptable" for a guy to slap a girl's butt or stare at her boobs, what if a girl slapped a guy's butt or stared at his crotch would that be considered "acceptable"? 
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ComixThreeSevens Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
This is utter bullshit. I have been slapped by the girl just to humiliate me and it was perfectly fine for everybody. Hell, it was my fucking fault. So yeah, it's fucking acceptable, idiot. Hell, if girl would be staring at guy's crotch, he would take that as a compliment, dumbass.
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Reddzion Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Student General Artist
I'm the dumbass? 
Not all men would like it if a girl stares at his crotch though, how can you assume such a thing? 
Some men are bi, some a gay, others have a different sexuality, hell there are even straight men that wouldn't like that. By your comment, it seems that its not rape if a girl does it to a guy because according to you.. he would enjoy it. 
How dumb are you? 
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ComixThreeSevens Featured By Owner Edited Jan 27, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
If you can't see the difference between looking and raping, then yeah, you're a dumbass. Sorry for the late answer, cutting wrists takes some time.
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Reddzion Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015  Student General Artist
I have experienced both more than enough times, i know the difference between both. Your last sentence took personal offence to me (not that you would give a fuck anyway). 
And there have been many accounts where women have sexually assaulted and sexually abused men, even via staring at their crotch, hence making the male uncomfortable. Even cases where women had raped men. 

So, in conclusion, you're the real and only dumbass here. 
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Professional Photographer
So you're incapable of havint a conversation without just constantly cursing and insulting someone.  I see. 

You've been slapped by a girl and that "proves" there's no sexism against women?

Well, I just had a sandwich, so that proves there's no such thing as world hunger, right?
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014  Professional Photographer
Yep.  And the last 44 presidents have all been women, but I'm sure it's just a coincidence.   :P
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Wendrom Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
This poem is very important. I believe more people need to understand these serious issues.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014  Professional Photographer
Hear, hear.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2014  Professional Photographer
Thanks for writing this and sharing.  I agree 100%.
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ComixThreeSevens Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
You live in your tiny, pathetic world of delusions. And I'm glad you do. Because of your own stupidity, you will be always living in a world where you feel discriminated. It's not true, but your tiny little brain cannot comprehend this. You basically created your own punishment.
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Riza-Izumi Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2015
Bawww something about women, bawwww delusions fake discrimination waaaaa. 
lol no. The only one in a  tiny, pathetic world of delusions is you. 
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milkchoclate641 Featured By Owner Edited Dec 13, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:nod: Exactly true.
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ComixThreeSevens Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Unfortunately, there are more woman like this than thinking ones. Just look at the amount of positive comments.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2014  Professional Photographer
Why would you think that it's okay to say something like this?

Did you just misunderstand what she wrote?
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Dartmaul15 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014
He understand it perfectly well, i'm afraid. The whole "i need feminism because" is like saying "i can't stand up on my own, so i need a collective to hide behind".
You're not solvieng anything by hiding in a collective, you're solving it by stepping out and proving yourself to be a stong independent woman who doesn't take shit from men. Because respect isn't demanded, it's earned. I do agree that it's way too easy for men, and too hard for women to get it, but that's not changing the fact that nobody will give you respect unless you earn it.
Boys have to earn it, we have to prove our worth. You have school grades, the army, work life... we always have to earn our value. Isn't it just fair girls have to do so too? And to earn your value it won't work to cry about something, you need to stand up strong, stick out of the crowd, and WORK to earn your value. Just like i have to do. Because that's how society works.

And the fact she ends this shit with "i believe in equality" uttelry disgusts me. She have made 11 legitimate claims about women's problems, and 0 about men's problems. That's not equality to me, that's not a focus on both gender's problems. If she REALLY wanted equality she'd devote time to men's problems too. She's a pureblood feminist, but no way in hell i'd label her an equalist based on this poem.

Rant over.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014  Professional Photographer
Feminists are pushing for equality of opportunity.  And yes, that means we don't have that now.

Maybe they're a lot closer in Norway, but most people reading this are from the US or elsewhere, and we've never had a female head of state.  Ever.

Our society has a lot of institutional sexism against women, and really none against men.

You can ignore that if you want.  That's one of the many privileges our society gives to men.

There's no such thing as institutional "reverse racism" and no such thing as institutional "reverse sexism" against men. 

If a woman speaks out against sexism and makes what even you yourself call "legitimate claims," it seems that you think the responsible thing to do it to shout her down.

And here's the real kicker.  As a white guy, you think you have the authority to say feminists are legitimate or not.
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Dartmaul15 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014
True, EQUALITY have not come too far in usa.

FEMINISM by definition is all about women. It does not hold any room for men or men's problems. They're pushing for equality in areas were women are currently getting the shorter straw. Yes, i think shit needs to be fixed ASAP, but it's the wrong way to do it. You need to realize that you need to focus on both gender's problems, and the moment you do that you cease being a feminist. Because you're now an equalist.

You want to know an area where women are privilegied (at least here in norway), divorce cases and parental conflicts. There men are the ones getting the shorter straw, for no apparent reason. I believe i just pointed out "reverse sexism" as you so kindly put it. Or what about the whole dilemma of "woman hit man. If man hit back he's a woman beater, if man just take it he's a pussy for not fighting back". Or what about the stigma towards virgin men, or towards non muscular men? You see, it isn't one sided. The public just loves women's problems.

I suggest you read nora vincent's "self-made man". It's about a female who lived 18 months as a male. Quite an interresting tale (would've been cool if some men did it the other way too XD). Maybe you'll see that there are in fact things we men wish could be improved. . So let's do one thing; fix BOTH men's problems AND women's problems? okay?

The responsible thing when a woman stands up against sexism is making sure she's doing it the right way. You don't get change by demanding everyone else to adapt, you need to get in there and do the dirty work. You don't immediately become a CEO, you have to work the hard way. I'm not intending to shoot down any feminists, I'm simply intending to make them realize that the moment they demand being treated equally, they are no longer pampered for, put on a pedestal, treated like a fragile glass statue, or generally protected like they are (historically) used to. And that trial by fire is hard.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014  Professional Photographer
Well, Feminism is pushing for equal treatment for men and women.  Including responsibilities like military service.

In your custody example, there seems to be a readily apparent reason.  We're starting to emerge from a period of human history in most of our societies where men had all the money, power, and influence *except* those responsibilities related to child bearing.  Your gender made the rules and now you're dealing with a consequence of patriarchy that puts you at a disadvantage in a small number of ways. 

As for your example that men are "called a pussy" if they don't hit women, that too arises from patriarchy, right?  I mean, it sounds like the worst insult you can think of for a guy is that he's like a woman.  Are you sure you want to claim that as a disadvantage?  But it is a real problem either way.

The stigma towards virgin men, or towards non muscular men, again, I agree that there's a problem and it's called patriarchy and a hyper masculine culture that encourages men to be violent and makes them feel bad when they don't have those qualities. 

But you're wrong if you think Feminists don't want to help address those issues, and indeed, it's the only ideology I can think of that has anything to say on those subjects.

Wikipedia is a good place to start, but consider reading up on feminist movements to work with men to change our hyper masculine culture.

And I don't think you've heard anything from me that makes it seem like I want to be treated like a glass statue.

But you have to understand that at least outside of Scandinavian countries, women are paid less than men for the same work. No one over here is afraid of hard work, but when men prevent us from having jobs in some industries or hire less qualified men over more qualified women, that's on them.
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Dartmaul15 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014
Have you read the definition of feminism? Because i don't think you have.
You claim feminism is doing something, but you fail to realize that it goes against the very definition of "feminism".
Wikipedia is a good place to start, but consider reading on "feminism" and "equalism".
But enough about that. You could call it "spagethi freedom fighters" if you want that.

Disregarding what i allready adressed about confusing "feminism" and "equalism", you do make some good point. I'm just finidng it quite distastefull how you chose to put a value to the total sum of one gender's problems, and blame the gender itself for it. Not necesarily because it's wrong, but because WHY THE HELL SHOULD THE PAST MATTER? I don't give a rat's ass why it is like it is, i just want to fix shit!

As for insults regarding men being compared to a woman. Yes, it is among the psychologically worst insults there is, because it refuses to aknowledge the fach is gender is male, and his sex is male. It's stripping a guy of everything he is. Even being called a sexist pig manwhore is better, because at least that aknowledges he's a man. But gender/sex related insults are meant to make a man feel inferior, or not feel like a man at all. It is among the worst (and most effective) forms of psychological abuse; directly attacking the very seense of his identity, his ego and his super-ego. That is why it's so bad.

Patriarhy... just the word we were missing. Do you really think the world is a patriarchy? Or do you tink it's simply about something called SOCIAL EXPECTATIONS? About men striving to fit in, to be normal, to be adequate, to be what society sees as a man. ANd that society includes you women too. You think men would behave like that if girls wanted comashionate, open, honest, emotional guys? You think it'd be an ideal to be emotionless like a rock if that was how girls wanted men? You could call it hyper masculine as you do, but you're not getting away from the responsibility women hold (in fact, you make up a larger portion of the population than men, so statistically you should have more to say).

Oh great, the same droning about payment per hour. I've heard that a million times, but NOBODY can answer how it's calculated. Is it effective entry level pay per hour? Has it taken into account factors like maternity leave (at least here in norway you are not paid for those by your employer), sick days, difference in how many hours you work... Thing is, i don't know. For all i know it could be a squewed statistic that only shows that women work less than men or that men hold generally better positions, since the statistics simply bases itself on total income per year without any form of modifications. And until i get that answered and sourced properly i'll chose to consider the arguement questionable at best.
Simply because its legitimacy can not be verified. (this is called source criticism)

But i think we could throw arguements back at eachother for ethernity without really achieving anything. Simply because of how we see society, and which problems we see in our everyday life.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014  Professional Photographer
I don't know what to tell you guy.  Feminism addresses every single social problem related to masculinity that you mentioned and this is widely and deeply documented in books and writings of Feminists.

If you just can't get past "but it's called feminism... it doesn't *sound* like it has anything to do with guys," I can't help you.

MRAs and "masculinists" like the ones who recently started sending me threat mail would just call you a fucking pussy.

Everything I've said has made it clear that I'm interested in addressing hyper masculine culture, so why are you pretending like I'm saying the opposite?

Really?  No one has figured out gender pay gaps?  Or you just didn't bother to check?  Here are a lot of studies and there are in fact, a lot of ways to measure.  But all of them are clear that men get paid more than women, even when you control for all the variables including hours, experience, title, and education.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%…

But hey, you don't have to educate yourself before you say that the statistics are skewed, right?  Just "droning" on with boring facts and figures, am I right?
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ShadowofWOPR Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
I think you need to stop eating up the high-piled crap left by third wave feminists and actually educate yourself.

"It's my own fault when a man rapes me"
Look up "Risk Minimization" you don't sue GM because you chose to drive 120mph without a seatbelt on.

"I can't do things men can"
Look up "Sexual Dimorphism"

"I believe in equality"
Oh so that's why 90% of the prison population is men...  And why genital mutilation against a woman carried $250k fine and 20 years in prison while genital mutilation against a man carries no fine or prison time and is considered a "religious right".
Or you know, how men get thrown into prison just for being accused of rape, but if a woman rapes a man not only did "the man enjoy it so it's not a crime" but now he must also "pay $20,000 in missed child support because your rapist had a child".

Yeah...  "Equality"...  As a male I would LOVE that...
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Wow... so you don't think it's a problem when a woman gets raped if you think she "did something to deserve it?"

You're all about the petty false equivalencies here, huh? 

Our culture is pretty good at telling women that they can't do things like be president, or run a large company.

Our culture has norms for men too, but instead, it tells them that they shouldn't stoop down so low as to play a role usually played by a women - or if her does, he's "girly"

So the worst insult you have for a man is that he's a girl.

You should get some perspective.
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ShadowofWOPR Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014
For someone claiming false equivalence you sure are keen to strawman.
I didn't say "you deserve to get raped" I said "You have some of the blame because you didn't partake in risk minimization"
huge difference.
Or to put it simply...  You don't dress in a red shirt and tan pants in a Target, because people will mistake you for wearing an employees uniform.  You may know you're not an employee, but you didn't take the 2 minutes to choose a different outfit to minimize your risk of being mistaken for one.
Similarly
You don't dress in a tube top, miniskirt, and g-string, go to slummy bars, then complain when people think you're a slut for the bedding.  Sure you may not be a slut, but you're wearing a sluts uniform, and *THAT* is your fault.

Or in a more extreme manner, you don't choose to wear a meat suit (because you're a lady gaga fan?) then go into an area filled with "DANGER - MOUNTAIN LIONS" signs.  You chose to wear the outfit, you chose to enter the area in said outfit, you chose to accept the dangers.  If you get attacked by a predator...  Well, I don't really have sympathy for the stupid.

"Our culture is pretty good at telling women they can't do things"
That's a good joke.  I don't even watch TV really but here, let me turn it on for about 5 minutes and see how many commercials there are telling women they *can* do whatever they want and how "in this day in age, young girls are under more stress than ever"
The answer is Three.
How many support commercials were there for males?  Zero.

"Our culture has norms for men too"
Yes it does.
"-but instead it tells them that they shouldn't stoop down and blahblahblah"
*sigh* No...  it just gives a double standard, you know the "You're a woman in the kitchen? HOW DARE YOU, YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT, STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS!" vs "You're a man on the side of a highway changing a tire?  Well that's to be expected of you, women are empowered now, you should have to serve them, heaven forbid they learn how to change a tire, that's not their job."

"So the worst insult you have for a man is that he's a girl?"
Uhh, no?  I never said that?  If I did I was comparing it to the stupidity of "Ban Bossy"?

And I find it funny you completely ignored all the other points, like that genital mutilation part, that's a fun one.  Here I even drew up a map for ya.
imgur.com/a/u6moV
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014  Professional Photographer
You say that women who are raped deserve part of the blame.  And that's the part you're interested in talking about most.  Yeah, that's insane.

Seriously, you lose the argument right there.

I don't care what you think of my clothes, if you rape me, it's you fault.  Tube tops are not immoral or illegal.  Raping someone is. 

Female genital mutilation is practiced by men as an assault on women to control and hurt them.  Circumcision is a medical procedure practiced to make men healthier.  It was started by men and it's generally done by men.  So why are you complaining and why all the sad false equivalency?
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